EVIDENCE: GYRO CAPTAIN (MM2) is JEDEDIAH (MM3)

[Uncle Entity]

Mad Maxians:

The truth, nothing but the truth.

Miller started with the idea Jedediah would have been a DIFFERENT character. I read the script, and the script seems to me pretty clear on the point. JEDEDIAH was supposed to be a different character.

Then, fortunately SPENCE agreed to play the role, and Miller's beautiful mind changed on the same essay of the character: he's now GYRO, only 15 years AFTER.

EVIDENCE:

1- MAD MAX spent very few time in Bartertown ("the sleazy pit"). Two or three days. He never met JEDEDIAH face to face. Yeah, JED was still part of the Thunderdome crowd, but Max was a little bit busy, dealing with Blaster's fury to recognize him... isn't it?

When the Flying Jalopy managed to stole Max's caravan at the beginning of the movie, Max COULDN'T see who DEPREDATED his goods. It happened far away from his sight. It was impossible. The Jalopy planed on the caravan, balanced-off Max's body, and the caravan just keept running on the sandway... then, after a little bit of time, Jedediah jumped on the driver seat. Max was miles behind.

THEN... HOW DID MAX managed to RECOGNIZE HIM at the (almost) end of the chase scene? How did MAX suppose that Jedediah was truly connected to the plane? The answer: because he was GYRO, and JEDEDIAH JR. was very similar to GYRO/JEDEDIAH in terms of look-like. Max is smart, d**n smart! He made 2+2= 4. There is a plane in the Wasteland. There is Gyro too. Then, Gyro runs the plane. Simple. Max kept to treat him bad --- despite he was his former "ally" Gyro --- because in the Wasteland environment FRIENDSHIP couldn't exist anymore. It's a fight for survival. After all, Gyro f**ked him, stoling the caravan in the first place.

In the script, at the Bartertown's entrance Max asked to Collector and - later - to Dr.Dealgood about a "man with a weird laughing". The part was never filmed, fortunately. From Max's point of view, it would have been impossible to hear Jedediah's laughing while the guy was stealing his own caravan.

And at the end, of the day, how did Jedediah manage to recognize Max in Bartertown's market, if Max was wearing a turbant covering is face at the time Jed stole the caravan?

I like the idea JEDEDIAH/GYRO told MORE about Max's story and previous events to Savannah and the men who built up "HOME" (SYDNEY) at the end of the movie. This way, the legend of Max is done in the "proper" way. Savannah and the others knew what he did at the RW time straight from Jedediah's mouth. Eventually, they knew about his real name (yes, Master knew it too).

[Tycho]

You make your point very well Uncle and I would totally agree with you if it weren't for my own theory.

I believe Jebediah is THE CO-PILOT

...walking into the nothing, "Co-Pilot" did it say the kids.
Therefore jebediah could be the co-pilot it would explain his close proximity to the crak in the earth, plus his ability to operate aircraft.

However believing this would kind of rule out that he was with Max around the time of Mad MAx2.

Tell me what you think Uncle!

[MāШMąX]

My only problem with that theory is, then where'd the kid come from?

[Tycho]

Well I assume that The Co Pilot left the survivors in the crack in the earth to get help... then never came back. Whenever someone got to a certain age they too went for help and never returned or returned empty handed.
I haven't really thought it through totally just occured to me whilst waatching Thunderdome last night that it could be a possibility.

But I guess he would have gotten help for them and he did have a plane, so could have rescued them.

[Tycho]

Oh wait right, the kid.
I have no idea where his child came from whether he was the co pilot, the gyro captain or a totally new character.. "Just Jed!"

[Uncle Entity]

Guys,

I'm a little bit embarassed here. I know MM Beyond T-dome gets tons of unreveiled secrets... ev'ry year I discover something new related to this unique jewel.

When did the kids say "hey, Co-Pilot" to Jedediah? In the MM3 SCRIPT, the kids called Max's monkey "Co-pilot". Probably, when Miller drop the sequences involving the monkey from the shooting, he chose to insert the "Co-pilot" thing again, this time involving Jedediah!

Tycho, I think your theory is a little bit absurd. The kids/Waiting Ones have no correct "visual" memories about their past adults. Savannah Nix is barely 19 years old (?). They just re-named Jedediah "Co-pilot" because they sensed he was Max's friend, and Max is the "pilot", of course (in their twisted perception).

The kid (Junior) was Jedediah/Gyro and Lusty Girl's son. Lusty Girl died 'cause hard nuclear winter (one of the many), and Jed deserted his role as "Captain" of the Great Northern Tribe. That's all.

Anyway, when did they call him "Co-Pilot"?

[Tycho]

They never called him Co-Pilot. It's just an abusrd theory

They never called him co-pilot cos they were too young to remember his leaving. If my theory works. Which it may after further research. Obviously though it wont be as easy to accept as the GyroCaptain=Jedidiah link.

[Uncle Entity]

Ah, understood.

Well... theories are pretty cool.

Look at PIG-KILLER. A smart guy who loved my site a lot came up in my e-mail address not so long time ago, writing a weird but all-in-all believable theory involving our beloved P.K. He told me he just thought Pig-Killer was one of the "Great Leaving" who - at that time - was tryin' to steal a pig from Underworld in order to "fed the kids", 'til the Guardsmen discovered him. He headed my attention to the scene it seemed Pig-Killer recognized Eddie through the clothes, the weirdo hair-style and the fact the kid was wild.
It makes sense. Who does really know?

I think the GYRO/JEDEDIAH point is MUCH more than a theory. After all... we're talkin' about an actor, ONE actor... BRUCE SPENCE

[Tycho]

Wait is Pig Killer Scrooloose's father? I cant remember which one scrooloose is but I thought he was the one with the black eye makeup and the bugs bunny pull toy and frying pan which he tries to drive "MAXIMUM STOMPER!" with. ooh your junkmobile names are great

[Uncle Entity]

Whoa, beautiful, Tycho! (they actually look like similar!)

Yeah, Scrooloose. I always loved him --- probably the coolest B-character ever. The Fryin' pan/Maximum Stomper sequence is brilliant. Does you like it?

[Tycho]

Yeah lol I always laugh when he glances over at the vehicle next to him (obviously seeing the guy steering) then hold his frying pan out in front of him waiting for something to happen.

[Uncle Entity]

I found it poetic a lot. Does the "loss of civilization" really reflect itself in the happened "loss of technology"? Miller raised the point. In the Mad Max Trilogy, technology has been not "demonized" at all. It's Man's fault, not technology's! That's why the series revolves on the cult of "vehicles", especially cars.
I always have felt sadness when Scroolose is tryin' to "match" the secret of the lost technology: driving.

Anyway, Maximum Stomper is a MONSTER!

Mmmm... a little bit off-topic here!

[Tycho]

lol not off topic at all "MAXIMUM STOMPER" is a beast!

Anyway, I never felt it was bad that scrooloose tried to understand the vehicle. To me it seemed the whole tribe were trying to regain the knowledge of technology. We have Gekko for example, Trying to understand the "mystery of sonic". The legends of the children also revolve around lost technology "Videos! and High Scrapers!" plus the way they really want the Plane to fly again.

For me the tribe was more a search for the understanding of this technology rather than them trying to distance themselves from it.

[Uncle Entity]

Well said. And I repeat it, It's magic. Technology is merely instrumental... if you're good, then it will be good, if you're bad, then it will be bad.
Technology is knowldege. Technology is the proof we're a great race in the evolutionary ladder; the proof we can really magnify our spirit (through intellect and ingenuity) beyond our own limits.

That's the tribe's message. The greatest of all.

[Tycho]

Uncle Entity... you are a genius!